Sent by Alan K Baker on 12 April 2008 13:01
Alan.
As there are a few issues here and interaction will be improved (IMO) I am replying to your
message, by interspersing my replies within yours.
Regards,
Alan.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Gresley
To: Alan K Baker
Cc: css-d
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [css-d] Navigation bar
> There many billions of pages needing the same treatment. Please take a look at this screen shot.
Answered privately.
> Is this the fixed navigation where the lower parts are hidden outside the viewpoint. My screen is
on 800px high. Is this navigation within frames?
No, it's apparent on any button that's clicked. They all behave in the same way.
> Remove the frames as it make it near impossible for anyone to help.
The frames will be removed, but the site is presented 'as-is' to allow you guys to see the problem,
not for you to attempt to retrieve code from it. That's why I posted the relevant code in my
message.
> OK, where do you mention that .oneline and .twolines is part of the navigation. Some on this list
are good detectives since. We have to use our web developers toolbar [1] "outline current element"
feature to locate these classes.
It's mentioned in the line "I've included the appropriate part of the stylesheet and the HTML
below, to save you wading through the dreaded frames maze. At present my text is centered by [
.oneline a ] and [ .twolines a ] (below).", which you've edited out. :-)
> > I've probably missed something obvious!!
> Yes. When I check you source code all I see is.
> <frameset>
> <frame>
> <frame>
> <base>
> </frameset>
> <noframes>
> >If you are reading this text, your browser is frames challenged.
> More up to date browsers are readily available.
> </noframes>
> The good browsers are not framed challenged. They just don't use MS propriety garbage code.
'Fraid I disagree. Frames have been around for a long time, along with all their faults. None of
today's reasonably up-to-date browsers has a problem with the site as it is/was.
M$ "proprietary code" is here to stay and the greater majority of browser public are using it,
unfortunately for us, especially in the case of browsers below IE7, which itself is far from
perfect.
Not to labor a point, as we're getting off topic, but the frames will be removed soon and the
problem will cease to exist. :-)
> So you have to make it easy. :-)
> Sometimes it is easier just to have un-style text to begin with.
The only way I could make it any easier (as you say) is to remove the frames, but really this is
totally unnecessary. I've already posted the relevant code in my message, for inspection. There's
nothing 'hidden' on the live site that would affect it. I dumped the site to a test area, merely as
an illustration for this forum, so that the effects can be seen.
Hell, being a USA originated forum, I even spelled my message in 'American' and ignored the
protests of my UK spell-checker. <grin>
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