Sent by Jack Toering on 16 June 2007 05:05
Hi George,
I understand where you are coming from. I put together logic, helps, and
layouts over a very frustrating 2 80 hour weeks. However, I could see early
on the advantages over cleverly stacking boxes. The most valuable thing
that I did is to understand the elements and then thought about different
scenarios how they would be useful. Then I spent time a lot of time on
sites learning how people creatively used these concepts. Along the way I
documented my thoughts, scenarios, and solutions in my database. Then I
read through the browser bugs.
After that two weeks I had a 3 column layout that works better than anything
on I could find at even the famous CSS sites, a CSS menu system that looks
and works better than anything I've seen anywhere on the web, and a home
page. I also adjusted my coding habits to XHTML 1.1 standards. I learned
that Microsoft makes a much poorer quality browser than I thought and that
even their latest version simply succeeds in innovating the distant past.
The unfortunate fact of life is that it ships with the defacto standard
operating system and thus has 90% of the browser market, and it's on a 5
year release cycle. A home page was not much to get done in 4 weeks worth
of hours. However I came to a different conclusion.
I don't think about how to make a table site in CSS. The skill of stacking
boxes and using shims(clear.gif) to get the picture to the right place on
the wall took time to acquire. Learning to pound a nail in the wall at the
right place to hang the picture did too, and I don't miss the huge box mess.
Today, I don't have the time nor the inclination to return to building sites
that use tables, and it surely isn't the future of the web.
I made a run at making CSS layout work for me at least once before I broke
through. See you when you return.
Best of luck,
Jack T.
PS: I learned just this week from an Adobe CS3 sales webmovie that this is
a good place to come if you need an idea. I found that to be true.
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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:16 PM
To: css-d
Subject: [css-d] CSS Layoutnot ready for prime time.
After reading this list for a few weeks and trying out many of the ideas and
suggestions, I conclude that CSS for layout purposes is just not ready for
prime time, as opposed to using it for fonts, colors, sizes, etc., for which
it is extremely suitable.
There are still too many browser work-arounds and bugs to make it worth the
effort. I guess I'll just have to continue with tables for the time being.
George
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