no problem is ff but in ie7 (probably more) the left side gets hidden. i'm sure it's something to do with the absolute positioning. ie isn't reading the margins any ideas? and is this even correct usage of absolute positioning? i wasn't sure how else to lay these things out http://votekenmann.com/test/index.htm thanks, Jeff ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/