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Re: [css-d] An Outsider's View

Sent by Timothy Swan on 30 January 2002 08:08

Ben Henick wrote:
> ...But ultimately this points back to the idea that getting your site to
> look IDENTICAL in EVERY browser can be filed under "shooting off one's
> nose to spite the face."


This is a fine *theoretical* point if you're a coder or a standards
activist, but it means less than nothing to most users or clients.
Unfortunately, tables in plain old html combined with slicing images set an
aesthetic standard that web viewers now expect AND it could deliver fairly
sophisticated designs that were consistent across browsers (for better or

Philosophically I'm 100% behind standards, but I fear that demand will drive
how the web looks -- not what I think is right. Right now I find it
impossible to use CSS to replace the use of tables for layout while meeting
the expectations/demands of my clients and delivering a site that works for
99% of all browsers. And no matter how much I try to convince them that
standards are important, that content is of primary importance, etc., etc.,
they still want complicated design-centric solutions -- not the
cookie-cutter designs that are the rage with CSS advocates (like me, BTW.)

Let's face it, most sites done completely with CSS are instantly recogizable
as such -- ahhh, top nav area, left hand column fixed width, right content
area that resizes, all square with some grey or, better yet, orange,

That's why I'm here -- to keep up with all of the creative hacks and hidden
CSS capabilities that will eventually allow us to replace tables *and*
design beautiful sites free of the current constraints.

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