>http://www.kennygraham.net/drk/index.html >http://www.kennygraham.net/drk/style.css >should get you started in the right direction. css is commented. thank you Kenny and David...it looks just fine with floating the menu...one difference is is that I assigned the centering margin: {0 auto} to the container rather than the body (as David noted). My next question is...*should* I be centering box model layouts like these...or would they look better to the left? I use 800 x 600 resolution myself so it is at full screen but I'm trying to figure out the standard for box model layouts at higher resolutions. I am looking at advanced CSS sites and notice that their layouts seem to expand to the browser at whatever resolution. I have never figured out how to do this. Do you know? Debbie P.S. The date is gone ;) ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/