The moment this email left my colleague sent me this via im: http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2003/11/no_margin_for_error/ and http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/box.html#collapsing-margins But still. I added position: relative to the elements in question to no avail. -- Sascha Ebach ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/