Hi there, I'm trying to adapt a layout that I've done prior to this. The prior version was aligned left, but this version I am centering it. On my previous layout, I floated my divs to achieve my hooks, but in implementing the technique here, floats are a bit trickier as the layout is centered, so I cant just float left. Ive tried to float left and using em and % left and right margins but that hasnt worked for me either. here is a test page: http://aenonfiredesign.com/test/divhooks/ I'm essentially needing 3 hook divs for background images or colors: (will name them better after I get the code down) 1) #contentwrap: this hook will encompass the entire "#wrap" div - full height of #wrap and needs to be under the two divs below so that they will sit on top (hopefully no zindex's) 2) #headerwrap: this hook will encompass the "#logo" div - 100px height 3) #footerwrap: this hook will encompass the "#footer" div - 40px height This site will have a target browser audience of IE5 PC 80% of their users are IE5 PC (Doctors) However, I am wanting the layout to work in IE6 as well (and of course REAL browsers like Firefox ;) So, If im making myself clear- I need #contentwrap to be the same height as the #wrap, and #headerwrap will be 100px high to match the #logo height, and #footerwrap will be 40px high to match the #footer height. and of course all of these need to be within the 95% width that I have for #contentwrap If you look at this test page in IE5 pc, you will see that: #headerwrap is actually the full height of #wrap (like I want #contentwrap to be) and not 100px #contentwrap doesnt show up at all, unless I float it. #footerwrap is doing ok In Firefox and Safari however I lose the #wrap bg right after the #sidebar ends, its ok in IE6 and IE5... could sure use some css expertise here thanks -clint -- iron sharpens iron ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/