> Surely it should be height: 5px; color #000000; - ?? > You'd think so, but... - moz1.0 displays as desired - ie5.5 paints the whole thing black (well, at least it's not shaded...) - opera drops the darkened shading that it gave before and the hr seems to revert to standard appearance I guess there's no clearly defined way in which css properties apply to <hr>s...? === joe howley http://joe.sameperson.net/