Can anyone please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong? This is the page in question: http://www.digispire.com/posts/greybeard/index2.html Basically, the navigational elements should span the entire width, and the hover backgrounds should not be overlapping either the grey border above or below, but should fit exactly up to those borders (entire height is 29px) I've tried several things, and nothing seems to work! Here were my other lame attempts: http://www.digispire.com/posts/greybeard/index4.html http://www.digispire.com/posts/greybeard/index.html I've looked at Listomatic, and that is where I got most of this code. Problem is made worse by the fact that I cannot seem to position the div exactly where I want it (it seems to want to indent and be pushed down lower) and I also cannot center the text vertically, either! Please help me, if you can, and keep me from scrapping the whole idea, and just going with graphics and javascript! Darren ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/