After switching over a position : fixed layout to standards rather than quirks mode in IE, a second, non-functional scrollbar has suddenly appeared next to the useable one: http://www.westeros.org/Westeros-CSSFrames.html Any idea why this might have happened? I am using the method described here (minus what is needed to get it to work in IE 5.5 and 5.1): http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/frames/standards_mode The page worked fine in most respects in quirks mode, but wouldn't center the footer and respect the max-width hack at the same time in IE, hence the switch to standards mode. Linda ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/