I just spent the last two days trying to figure out why I couldn't get the correct padding/spacing in my nested UL menu. After finally debugging the example from listomatic I narrowed it down to the doctype. Maybe this is a rookie move, I've been developing sites for 7 years, and haven't ever really needed a specific doctype until now. For the nesting to work properly in IE, you need to have a doctype of: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"> Checkout the diff in IE vs. FireFox (both work fine in FF, but in IE the 'not working' file is hosed). http://stuff.chovy.com/html/leftnav/leftnav-working.html http://stuff.chovy.com/html/leftnav/leftnav-not-working.html Anthony ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/