Thanks, Holly, for that steer. Every time I think I have a handle on things I'm humbled by finding out exactly what I don't know-- which seems to be a whole lot more than I do know. Anyway, I've redesigned, and things now behave better, though not perfectly. I have a collapsing margin problem on the bottom of the mainwrapper that I've tried a number of fixes on, and still can't get to behave. That border is not supposed to be sitting on the bottom of the screen like that, it's supposed to have a margin. Any help would be appreciated. Also, browser checks in Mac would be wonderful. New layout using floats here: <http://farmstudycenter.org/test2/> css file here: <http://farmstudycenter.org/test2/wstyles.css> Holly Bergevin wrote: > I cannot see where in your HTML you have actually used the fixed > positioning you indicate in your CSS, so I'm not sure if you've > succeeded or not. > ><snippety> > >http://positioniseverything.net/articles/flow-pos.html > >~holly > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/