I'm throwing it out to the group because of the frustration factor. On the following page: http://www.charlottes-saddlery.com/test.htm I'm using the "son of suckerfish" menu. I've not been able to get the menu to extend all the way across (550px) the div#nav . It would certainly give it a much neater appearance. I've tried tweaking it.......I think possibly the "em" as opposed to "px" measurements may be throwing me off. Many thanx for your consideration. -- With kind regards, Tim S. Raisbeck, owner ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/