i prevented behaviour described by gary with clear:left, clear:right respectively the issue is definitely rule number 5 ------------------------------------------- It does move it up see http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#float-position there is example <BODY> <P>Some sample text <IMG src=img.png alt="This image will illustrate floats"> that has no other... </BODY> image in this scenario can be classified as moving up in the stream of text i understand it in that way and i think this is what official term 'reflow' is used for. Think about 'move up' as an synonym to such case. jan ptacek ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/