Sent by Abyss on 7 January 2005 22:10
What would you say?
1-2 years before the standard handheld is supported? 1 year after that
before people start developing for those standards?
The standard for web are implemented and supported by browsers, but not all
developers follow them
but thank god alot of developers are...
Would you say it could be reasonably safe to put
<style type="text/css">@import
"http://www.abyss.ws/ws_files/css/all.css";</style>
<style type="text/css" media="handheld">@import
"http://www.abyss.ws/ws_files/css/handheld.css";</style>
for I feel that would be a fair compromise until standards are better
supported.
What we need also is a browser tester..other then the one i mentioned
earlier.
one that has a browser in it.
I do not like opera I think it is as bad as IE, IE has no PNG transparency
support(without hacks)
and opera has no transparency for wmode in flash..yes yes i know opera 8
will support it..and about bloody time too.
I whinged to Dave Massy
(http://blogs.msdn.com/dmassy/archive/2004/08/05/209428.aspx) at Microsoft
about this
and he said they were "seriously" looking at this....I laughed my head off,
they have been seriously looking at transparency for
PNG, for years(and every other browser supports it)...lol if i looked at
something that seriously for that long I would have very sore eyes :)
I think they will have it by IE7 which will be launched with longhorn in
2006 (new patchs :)) - they eventually have to run out of patients when they
have soooooooooooo many complaints about it....then we have to wait for the
patch to be distributed around the web..
and then 50% of the web will be able to see in transparent PNG and the rest
will be able to see colour square :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gunlaug Sørtun" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
To: [EMAIL-REMOVED]" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [css-d] CSS for Mobile Phone Technology
> Abyss wrote:
>>> With the at media rule though, I cant say i agree 100% with you on that
>>> because i do not know what browsers you are testing it in.
>>>
>>> I have tested the at media rule in IE6, NS7.1, Opera7.54, and FF1.0
>>> and have all found that they are using the @ rule without any problems.
>
> Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote:
>> Yes, but is it supported by the primitive browsers on handhelds? Probably
>> on some, probably not on others. <link> is always safer.
>
> Zoe is correct, and it's not just primitive browsers that may get lost
> here:
> To quote from http://www.alistapart.com/articles/pocket/
>
> "You must declare the existence of a handheld style sheet in the HTML
> page itself."
> ...which mean that an @media rule in a stylesheet will not be applied
> (by Opera at least) unless that browser is "told" so.
>
> Something like:
> <link rel="style sheet" href="..." type="text/css"
> media="handheld">
> ...is the way to do that.
>
> As an important sidenote:
> Using combinations like media="screen,handheld" on a link, may fail in
> IE5/win. IE5/win may simply loose track of the stylesheet for screen if
> we do it this way. Not sure about the details behind this "loss".
>
> I've found that it doesn't matter to Opera which stylesheet-link we
> write media="handheld" on, as long as the correct @media rules are used
> as style-wrappers in all stylesheets.
> I've not tested this outside the big Opera-browsers, so there's a lot I
> don't know yet.
>
> OTOH: IE/Mac is lost if we use @media rules in stylesheets. That's fine
> with me, as I use @media rules as filters to prevent old IE/Mac from
> seeing styles. Just thought some might like to know.
>
> Don't know of any other, relatively new, browser that can't use most
> @media rules, but media "handheld" is not yet well supported. I'm using
> it anyway-- because the standard is here...
>
> regards
> Georg
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