"However I am not going to go into detail about that since such a discussion would be totally off-topic for the list. In fact I am now putting on my hat as one of the list moderators and pointing out that this message is off-topic. Especially as it comes hot on the heels of another essentially off-topic thread that you started that addressed the very same issues." How can you say this is off-topic? It IS THE TOPIC. Is this list not about designing with CSS? " Those opinions though are outside the remit of this list which is talking about CSS and ways to use it in the real world; in other words, practical uses and applications". The issues concerning CSS as a design model/method are the heart of practical real world uses. There isn't anyone I can speak to in person about these issues, this list is the only communication I have on the subject. If no one cares to discuss the issues I bring up that's fine, but I don't see how it is considered off-topic. ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/