I am really trying to adopt the css layout method for designing sites, but I'm one 'refresh' away from scrapping the whole idea. Every time I approach the layout of a site using <div> and css it takes me way to long to finally get the layout to work as I intend. The site I am designing now is going to be a resource site for a university web design course. I am a big believer in separating structure from presentation and this model is stressed in the course. However, I am finding it very difficult to practice this model when I can't even lay the foundation for a site design. Moreover, how am I suppose to teach this model to future web designers when it is not a reliable method. I hate to use nested tables and get into all that, but the one positive about using tables is that... they work. So... if CSS is intended to handle the presentation of a site, why is it so difficult to render the layout properly? and if CSS is intended to tackle the visual presentation of a site why aren't there intuitive visual editing options as opposed to entering text manually and reloading to "see" the changes? I have read all the articles and been to all the blogs on layout and positioning, its not helping. What I need are tried and true layout templates so myself and the class can get busy being designers. Are there any sites stocked with layout templates that work? Thank you ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/