your page seemed to present properly (w2k) in firefox (1.0), mozilla (1.7.3) and opera (7.54), but lost centering in ie5/win. the good box seemed to present properly as well. dwain ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/