http://deltatraffic.co.uk/lipsumDorem/sucker.html taken from the suckerfish menus. IE & moz have entirely different displays \- IE has decoration but moz is just plain and simple - as i want it. cant work out why! also I want to be able to set the width of the whole thing as wide as i want - say 600 pixels any help will be warmly received! rgds Alex Beston deltaT. ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/