Well I don't even want the columns to go all the way to the footer.. here is the concept I'm working from.. http://clients.stamats.com/irvine/comp/home2.htm As you can see the left and right columns don't go all the way down. I just can't figure out how to the background behind those columns to be white, while the actual page background is grey. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Drake [EMAIL-REMOVED]] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:21 AM To: Kevin Switzer; [EMAIL-REMOVED] Subject: RE: [css-d] CSS Background problem Welcome to the world of faux columns http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/ Depending on what you are trying to achieve, you will either apply the background to your body or to a wrapper div. We are using it with our site on the wrap div and the footer sits outside this div. The footer has a background that caps of the bottom of this faux column. www.csatravelprotection.com Ted ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/