http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/thebox/deadcentre4.html Is a technique to center a box vertically and horizontally. If you want to position the other elements absolutely inside any element, you simply need to position the element anything else but static(relative or absolute), something that is already given in that example. HTH -- Chris Heilmann http://icant.co.uk/ | http://www.onlinetools.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/