A cry for understanding! Apologies for the repeat of messages from the last few days, but I really would like to know why this change - see end of this message - worked. But it did. And the entire part, all three divs relative [if that is all the side boxes do not appear] and the z-axis [without which at least in NS the main text div is not there] And I find that a negative z-axis does not work in NS. A problem that I cannot understand. I apologize for the full files, but I know no other way to show what I am asking about. First, I am on WIN-NT, and using Netsacpe 7.2 and IE6. The page link and the CSS are at http://www.midcoast.com/~dumarest/temp/schmidminutes20031015.htm http://www.midcoast.com/~dumarest/temp/SchmidCommittee.css This looks fine in NS but what happens in IE?? In the CSS, there is a background image on the id'd div 'meeting' and I have put a red dotted border around this object. Now, screenshot of the way it looks in IE [screen shot since you may not see the same as I, screen size and default font size differing]. http://www.midcoast.com/~dumarest/temp/IESCRN.JPG Note, the background image starts at the top of the div, and then restarts at the bottom of the 'Municipal Page' box, which is cut off at the bottom and in fact there looks to be TWO bordered objects, each with the background, one truncated, the other has the entire image. And if text is zoomed in either direction, that box changes in size but it is still [except at the tiniest font] truncated and the background image is part at the top and then starts again. And if the background image is not present, the full left box is there, but the 'double' border, as if two objects, is still there. **************************************************** <<A reply to this was>> Use "position:relative" for #meeting and the 2 floats and then give a lower z-index to #meeting, that should work ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/