I am trying to adapt the wonderful PVII swap class menu tutorial i was given at last request of this list with some images and some other stuff to make it work the way i want. Visual in Mozilla and Firebird it works perfectly and the bullets touch but on IE (of course) they do not and for some reason have a 2 pixel blue area between them, you can see the page here http://www.isvt.com/production/nu-lok/viewable.htm and CSS here http://www.isvt.com/production/nu-lok/css/basic.css. I don't understand and i have looked though the archives for mention of two pixel anything, i just don't have any ideas ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/