When you have <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> at the head of your document, IE goes into quirks mode. Removing this may help put IE back into standards mode. Pete -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL-REMOVED] [EMAIL-REMOVED]]On Behalf Of mark drayton Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:01 AM To: [EMAIL-REMOVED] Subject: [css-d] CSS padding/margin/border in IE and Firefox <<Hi I'm trying to do something incredibly trivial: place an image in the (horizontal) centre of a page with a 4px white border then a 1px black border. -- Mark Drayton [EMAIL-REMOVED]>> ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/