Sent by Brian V Bonini on 16 December 2003 00:12
On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 18:32, Jim Ray wrote:
> Brian V Bonini said:
>
> > At least it's a start. And truthfully as much of a CSS junkie as I like
> > to be when it comes down to outright production time it is still quicker
> > to whip sites out using tables if for no other reason then not having to
> > deal with ALL the discrepancies between browsers, version, OS's, etc...
> > It really adds a lot of time to the process. Reminds me of HTML 10 years
> > ago.
> >
>
> I gotta say, I largely disagree. MSNBC's site isn't a "start" any more
> than using an HTML 3.2 doctype is a "start" simply because they declare a
> doctype. The use of CSS on the MSNBC site, both now and on the old site,
> is largely window dressing, an attempt to skirt around a few design
> issues, and an attempt to uniformly format their copy. These are things we
> were using CSS for back in 1997 and they in now way take advantage of the
> power of CSS.
>
> A start, as I stated before, would have been an earnest attempt to mark up
> the site symantically, even if it meant still using some tables. A start
> would have been formatting at least one component of the site (say, the
> left nav bar) with CSS.
>
> I realize that jumping in feet first to pure CSS/XHTML design is going to
> be very, very difficult for huge media players, but the MSNBC redesign
> clearly shows that they have no interest whatsoever in even dipping a toe
> in the water.
Honestly I did not even go and have a look at it. But if whatever
they've done is really that poorly implemented then I agree totally,
being as that it was posted to THIS list I assumed it was an earnest
attempt. My bust.
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