> At least it's a start. And truthfully as much of a CSS > junkie as I like to be when it comes down to outright > production time it is still quicker to whip sites out > using tables if for no other reason then not having to > deal with ALL the discrepancies between browsers, version, > OS's, etc... It really adds a lot of time to the process. Well, yes and no. Sure, if you make a site that works well on the latest version of Firebird, and then when the site's finished (the night before it goes live!) you test it on everything else and find it's an utter disaster, then you're in trouble. But if you start designing with compatibility in mind, remembering things like "hey, I've used borders and padding here -- that spells box model flaws!", then it really doesn't take that much longer. And what you lose in initial development time, you make up for in flexibility. For example, one site I did recently had a pretty tight time budget, so I decided I was going to do the navigation using image rollovers and Dreamweaver layout tables, rather than in CSS. It was marginally quicker -- except that when we had to add another button to the nav, I ended up having to redo the entire thing because of spacing issues. All the images needed to be redone, and it was a complete nightmare. I had a pesky and complex layout yesterday I wanted to finish, so I took it home and knocked out a CSS layout in half an hour or so, then took a bit longer adding drop-down menus and refining the navigation. I knew it would be a mess when I tested it this morning because I hadn't tested it as I went, but when I brought it in today and tested it on our compliance suite of about ten browsers, I found two things I needed to fix. Two. Because I've spent so long on urgent fixes for sites with fatal flaws in the CSS, I knew exactly what sort of things to watch out for, and, when there was more than one way of doing things, which one would work. It's not particularly hard work -- it's just experience. - Matt ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/