Hi and thanks to andy m for the fixed div support I've also got a main nav bar made with prepacked JavaScript, (link below) great tool for those not wanting to really learn JS. Anyway, when I turn off CSS the navbar is still floating obstructively on the page. I know I need create an alternative nav bar, but for now how do I get this one to not show up on the CSSless page? Thanks Suzanne Edtec Dept SDSU ULTIMATE DROP DOWN MENU v3.8.4 by Brothercake http://www.brothercake.com/dropdown/ ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/