Hi, I just rejoined the list. I have tables with data and I am trying to get the columns to have different background colors. Boy am I confused. First of all after reading col and colgroup in html 4.0. I am not sure how to use them. Then when I do use them I can't seem to make the css affect them at all. I did trick it a bit by adding an id or class to the col but it didn't work for the background color. I saw that the there is some layering model. so I tried bacground:transparent; for everything in the table except for the col. But no dice?? Obviously I just don't understand how this works. Can someone help me either with a link to a clearer explaination of how the html 4.0 table works with css. I am referring to the mozilla sidebar css 2.0 and html4.0 reference. Thanks Aaron ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/