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Re: [css-d] What happened to design?

Sent by Ben Henick on 26 January 2002 02:02


On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Andy McNabb wrote:

> That works for just graphics, but it becomes much more complicated when
> combining text and graphics around or on top of eachother.  Take for example

Not so.  What worked for images, will in many cases work just as well for
text.  Though it might cause Netscape 4.x to crash.  *grin*

> using a simple rectangle with rounded corners as a backdrop to a paragraph
> of text.  It's not easy to accomplish with CSS & without tables and still
> allow the paragraph to flow as the text size and/or window size changes.

Actually, nested blocks used in combination with the float property (or
positioning) make this a viable - if not straightforward - presentation
objective.

Yes, I'll write a demonstration, if asked.

I grant that it would still be easier to do with tables.  But not by much.

> I guess it is and it isn't.  As Eric mentioned, CSS is all about rectangles,
> which kind of implies a grid-like concept.  I do agree that a grid-defining
> mechanism would be very helpful.

...Implies only.  A major point to CSS is to allow logical content flow.
Which is inimical to the process of building and maintaining a grid.

<snip>
> objects in drawing programs (hence the postscript reference).  Perhaps this
> is in fact the ultimate goal of the CSS guru's - I don't follow the
> development at all, so I don't know - but I sure hope so.

Eric - knowest thou of the future of the language to this extent?

<snipping myself>
> > you do it, just get it done."  And because CSS implementation is such a
> > minefield (f--- you very much, Marc and Lou) even the most thoughtful
> > developer will look at his/her deadlines and stick to what they know.
> <snip>
>
> You're right about that - the tools still have to catch up, and people are
> loath to learn new technology they don't consider critical.

...Though once management catches onto the desirability of storing
structure in markup and presentation in a separate resource, things will
start to change.

I hope.

We are still in a juvenile stage of the Web; we know how to fail, and far
less about how to succeed.  (Need proof?  Look at the drop in membership
on the NASDAQ exchange.)

But the future of the Web lies in giving separate sandboxes to
content/data, presentation, and structure.  We have the tools to build
those sandboxes, now.  All we have to do is learn how to use them
effectively.

Thus, this list.  :-)


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