Thanks, Craig. I'll check both of these out and see if either (or both!) do what I'm looking for. -Bob -----Original Message----- Mark Newhouse's template does that: <http://homepage.mac.com/iblog/nn4_3col_header.html> Or it can be accomplished in fifth generation by doing this: #footer { position: absolute; bottom: 0; left: 0; } this, of course has its drawbacks, but may be worth playing with.