> The example: http://eleaston.com/bob/list-nav3.html you may have to make both the UL and the LI display:block and maybe also set their margins and/or padding to 0 then the border-top separators would probably work too are you really planning to have three separate yet identical "you are here" visual markers in the same hierarchical menu navigation structure, like items 2, 3a, and 3c3? that might work for many people, but it confuses me ;o) you probably intend only one, and were just testing it at all nested levels, eh rudy
