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Re: [css-d] What happened to design?

Sent by Al Sparber on 25 January 2002 17:05


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From: "Rachel Andrew" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [css-d] What happened to design?


> so does mine.. but you just have to open up a simple CSS layout in DW to
> see that it is pitifully inadequate for this way of working.
>
> I'm not talking for myself.. hell, I'll use emacs if necessary, I'm
talking
> about the 1000s of people who use dreamweaver on a daily basis, in their
> web teams, as solo designers charged with looking after everything for a
> company - who don't know how to alter Dreamweaver to add a doctype, who
> wouldn't know where to validate their html even if they knew it was a good
> idea. For these reasons Dreamweaver and its like, should be creating valid
> html and css _by default_ not after you have hacked at it to make it
> unrecognisable.

Hi Rachel!

I opened up one of the "Glish" box designs in dreamweaver, and it was
perfectly editable. Why does it have to look like what it does on the web?
Anyone using those techniques would know enough not to care what it looked
like inside Dreamweaver. I want my cutting edge CSS and I want it now!- type
of reasoning for a tool like dreamweaver is rather unreasonable considering
the fact that when the current version of dreamweaver was code-locked,
netscape 4 had a significantly higher market share than it does now... and
Netscape 6 Preview 1 was still months away from release. Maybe you should
reserve judgment until the next dreamweaver version is released?

But you can't possibly be talking about advanced CSS positioning. The
real-world designers making sites for small and medium-sized business,
cannot be forced to abandon tables this year. The New York Public Library
site was designed, in part, by a brilliant man who is heavily into standards
and while the site validates, it is table-based. Possibly because the
library has a bunch of Netscape 4 browsers hanging around its branches? If
you're talking about doctypes, proper script tags, replacing <b> with
<strong> and all those important things to help the novice learn to use
valid markup, then I'm sure those things will come.

-Al
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