Sent by Nathan Woods on 4 December 2002 04:04
Wow! I really appreciate this candid report!
I did not realize the integration that PHPNuke had on the presentation.
I am very grateful that you shared your experience!
Regards,
Nathan Woods
NextStepDesigns
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Simmons [EMAIL-REMOVED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:55 AM
To: Marshall Roch
Cc: css-discuss; [EMAIL-REMOVED]
Subject: Re: [css-d] Major Site Revamp - Adopt a pet project?
Marshall Roch wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 05:43:32 -0800, Nathan Woods
>> [EMAIL-REMOVED]> wrote:
>> My friend has this site: www.gliderking.com, and it's a nested table
>> nightmare and way heavy (68K).
>>
> Looks like PHPNuke <http://www.phpnuke.com> or PostNuke
> <http://www.postnuke.com>. I would be very surprised if neither of
> those two have templates done in CSS... it might be easier to download
> one of those and then modify it to look like the current one than to
> start from scratch.
I checked the meta tags: PostNuke 0.7.1
Nathan, I'd steer clear of trying to simplify this layout with css if I
were you! The current implementation of templating/themes in postnuke
does a bad job of separating the layout from the content, a lot of the
table tags are hard wired into the php based modules postnuke uses to
provide its features. In other words you would have to actually modify
Postnuke itself.
I tried doing a css based layout for my first (and probably last!)
PostNuke site:
<http://www.perlucida.com/sphop/>
And I'm not at all happy with the results, it doesn't look the way I
want and bits of it are broken where a module inserts its own formatting
instead of relying on the 'theme'. It's a mess, and it sure as hell
doesn't validate.
Don't adopt this pet Nathan!
If you do then here are some thoughts:
It's probably pointless modifying the PostNuke php code yourself because
AFAIK the PostNuke developers are working towards a better seperation of
presentation from content, its sounds like the 0.9 series might allow a
decent css based layout. So you could get the site upgraded when that
comes out.
You could find a CMS that already has good separation from content and
would allow you to create a lean mean template/theme. I've heard Drupal
recommended and am going to try recreating my SPHOP site with that next
year. But changing Gliderking to a new CMS would mean moving all the
database content and that's likely to be nightmarish though not
impossible.
If you want a copy of the almost less tables/more CSS PostNuke theme I
made (crappy and broken as it is) then let me know off list.
It seems to me that www.gliderking.com is using all the css it currently
can without making things a mess.
Adrian
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