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Re: [css-d] Gosh Darn Netscape

Sent by Eric A. Meyer on 25 January 2002 14:02

At 18:57 +0000 1/25/02, Ben Nunn wrote:

>1. Why are they still releasing point upgrades 4 1/2 years on? None of us
>will be surprised if 4.79 turns out to be the last release.

    Netscape isn't, but iPlanet is.  The 4.xx releases are all 
security-patch versions that are released as part of enterprise 
contracts still in effect.  There are massive corporate installs of 
NN4.x, and iPlanet is still contractually obligated to provide a 
secure client.  It's a subtle distinction, I admit, but in some ways 
an important one.

>2. Why have so few Netscape users upgraded to 6, which has been on release
>for well over a year now? Look at any stats site, and you'll see a massive
>uptake in IE6 in just a few weeks. Why have people chosen to stick with NS4
>which still outstrips 6/Moz by around 7% market share to 1-2%.

    I can't readily explain the lack of Mozilla/NS6.x adoption, but it 
very likely won't be true for much longer.

>Personally I abandon all notions of design support for NS4 when I approach
>projects from an all xhtml and css perspective, rather than waste time with
>hybrid code and hacks.

    I did something like that on at the beginning of this 
week, in fact.  I finally ditched tables, gave into the "small 
sans-serif text by default" paradigm[1], and went all subtle on the 
colors.  NN4.x users see something very, very different-- still 
readable, but different.  @import and media-constrained 'link' 
elements are my friends.

[1] Note to the accessibility-concerned: you can override the default 
text size using the "Advanced setup" button and setting your 
preferred size in a cookie.  It isn't the best of all worlds but I'm 
satisfied with the trade-off.  Plus you can always use text zooming 
in the more capable browsers.  The pages aren't fixed-width, at least.

Eric A. Meyer (, List Somethingorother
"CSS is much too interesting and elegant to be not taken seriously."
   -- Martina Kosloff
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