Eric A. Meyer wrote: > In addition to all the answers you've gotten, you (or others) might > be interested in a recent DevEdge article that explains why IE and > Gecko are inconsistent in their behavior, and how the list markers > fit into the picture: > <http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/list-indent/>. Quoting that page: <q> If you want to reset lists to have no indentation, then you still have to zero out both padding and margin: ul {margin-left: 0; margin-right: 0;} </q> Huh? Where does the 'margin-right' fit in, or was that supposed to be 'padding-left' ? I've added: ul,li { margin-left: 0!important; padding-left: 0!important; margin-right: 0!important; padding-right: 0!important; } to http://www.tntluoma.com/css/tests/no-indent-lists-no-conditional.html and I am still seeing indents with IE6/win TjL -- 30 Days to becoming an Opera Lover http://www.tntluoma.com/opera/lover/ Day Seven: Seek and Ye Shall Find http://www.tntluoma.com/opera/lover/day07-quicksearch/