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> 1. page check please (Duncan O'Neill)
> 2. Re: page check please [EMAIL-REMOVED])
> 3. Re: page check please (Duncan O'Neill)
> 4. Re: marker-offset property, and other vexing UL issues (Eric A.
Meyer)
> 5. RE: re-post of left.tab prob/question (Jerod Huseman)
> 6. RE: Need a bit of help with my first CSS layout (Austin, Darrel)
> 7. RE: Need a bit of help with my first CSS layout (Austin, Darrel)
> 8. RE: Need a bit of help with my first CSS layout (Austin, Darrel)
> 9. CSS layout needs browser testing / accessibility feedback (Simon
Willison)
> 10. Re: Need a bit of help with my first CSS layout (Lowell Allen)
> 11. Re: CSS layout needs browser testing / accessibility feedback
(Philippe Wittenbergh)
> 12. Re: CSS layout needs browser testing / accessibility
> feedback (Simon Willison)
> 13. DW vs. TopStyle vs. StyleMaster vs. ? (Austin, Darrel)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:04:11 +1200
> From: Duncan O'Neill [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Organization: The Urban Legend magazine
> To: css-d [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Subject: [css-d] page check please
>
> Hi all,
>
> yes, another.
>
> I've checked this page on
> PC: NN4.7, IE5.5, IE4.7, Opera 6, Mozilla 1.0
> Mac: IE5.0, NN4.6, IE4.5
>
> and all seems OK. HTML and CSS validate. I'd be
> grateful if someone could check it on IE6.
>
> http://www16.brinkster.com/maxwells/captions/new2.asp
>
> tia,
> --
> =====================================================
> Duncan O'Neill
> "Smith The Reporter"
> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~dbaxo/urban_legend.htm
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:13:00 -0400
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> To: [EMAIL-REMOVED] (css-d)
> Subject: Re: [css-d] page check please
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> In a message dated Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:04:11 +1200, "Duncan O'Neill"
[EMAIL-REMOVED]> writes:
>
> >http://www16.brinkster.com/maxwells/captions/new2.asp
>
> Looks nice on Opera 5 and Moz 1 Mac.
>
> - Brandon Oto
>
> (who, on an entirely unrelated note, just noticed that this site:
http://www.aaronsw.com/ , by a guy who works with the W3C, is lacking a
doctype...)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:40:07 +1200
> From: Duncan O'Neill [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Organization: The Urban Legend magazine
> To: css-d [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Subject: Re: [css-d] page check please
>
> Tobias Engelhardt wrote:
> > Hi Duncan,
> > the top of the page disappears, when the browser-window is
> > too wide. I attached an Screenshot on my IE6.0.2600 / Win2k
> >
> > hth
> > Tobias
>
> Ouch! Yes, it does help, thanks. I noticed that
> three of the links show as visited on your
> screenshot. So, some more questions, if I may....
>
> 1) did the top of the page display when you first
> entered the page, or did you get get that effect
> when coming *back* to it.
>
> 2) Any suggestions as to how I might fix this. I
> (obviously) don't have IE6, so can't check
> updates.
>
> CSS files:
> <link>ed:
> http://www16.brinkster.com/maxwells/captions/css/captions.css
> @import ed:
> http://www16.brinkster.com/maxwells/captions/css/captions_advanced.css
>
> tia,
> --
> =====================================================
> Duncan O'Neill
> "Smith The Reporter"
> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~dbaxo/urban_legend.htm
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:16:03 -0400
> To: [EMAIL-REMOVED]
> From: "Eric A. Meyer" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Subject: Re: [css-d] marker-offset property, and other vexing UL issues
>
> At 15:05 -0400 7/31/02, shining monkey wrote:
>
> >Does anyone out there know which browsers support markers, as in:
> >li:before {
> > display: marker;
> > marker-offset: 3em;
> > }
>
> Pretty much none that I've seen (but I don't have Konqueror to
> test, so I've never seen it, so I don't know if it supports this or
> not).
>
> >I checked the Master Compatibility Chart over at
> >http://www.webreview.com/style/css1/charts/mastergrid.shtml
> >And I can't seem to find anything.
>
> No. That chart covers CSS1, with a separate chart for CSS2
> selectors. Markers are part of CSS2. You can test your favorite
> browser(s) against this and other aspects of CSS2 at the recently
> revised and drastically expanded
> <http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/tests/css2/>. The test for
> 'marker-offset' is at
> <http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/tests/css2/sec12-06-01.htm>.
>
> >Also, on a related subject, does anyone know how to control the distance
> >between the list marker and the list itself, when the
"list-style-position"
> >property is set to "outside"?
>
> That would be 'marker-offset'. Sorry.
>
> --
> Eric A. Meyer (http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/), List Chaperone
> "CSS is much too interesting and elegant to be not taken seriously."
> -- Martina Kosloff (http://www.mako4css.com/)
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> Message: 5
> From: "Jerod Huseman" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> To: "Css-Discuss-Admin" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Subject: RE: [css-d] re-post of left.tab prob/question
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:48:07 -0400
>
> <snip>
> Nice, your page works quite well :) The "writing-mode" is interesting. I
> don't think I've seen that in use before.
>
> You did mention Opera, so I guess you know that the date in the tab runs
out
> of the side of the tab - which makes it hard to read because of the
> colouring. Small issue.
>
> --Leto
> </snip>
>
> thx kauler :) yeah, i looked at it under Moz1, NS6.2, Opera6, and IE6, and
> the main css-style'n all looked okay, which was a surprise to me.. the
only
> thing is the 'writing-mode' IE property that i used on the tabs... small
> thing, tho.. maybe i'll find another way.. page loads very fast, tho! :)
>
> -j-
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> From: "Austin, Darrel" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> To: [EMAIL-REMOVED]'" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Subject: RE: [css-d] Need a bit of help with my first CSS layout
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:57:44 -0500
>
> Big thanks to Big John!
>
> > > http://www.darrelaustin.com/clients/court/css_layout.html
> > > So, my questions are:
>
> <snip>
>
> > <http://users.rraz.net/mc_on_the_rocks/testpage/css_layout.html>
> >
> > Works in IE5.5/Moz/Op6/Win2k.
> > I would explain the changes now, but it's very late..
> > I'm available tomorrow, tho. :]
>
> Well, I took a look at the code, and it seems like you did some fairly
> minimal changes: Added a height attribute to the #pageheader and fixed my
> imag alignment. (And cleaned up my CSS...thanks!)
>
> I'm not sure what you did, exactly, that fixed the #navbox from pushing
the
> #content box down the page on a Mac (as opposed to floating to the left).
If
> you have a chance to explain that, I'd appreciate it!
>
> > way it's supposed to work! Divs next to a float do not
> > 'wrap' around the float, they ignore it and slide beneath
> > like the float was not there.
>
> Why is that? I can't seem to see a need for me to ever have an item slide
> under a float while leaving inline opjects to wrap.
>
> > Lists have some legacy bugs,
>
> Is there a good reference pointing out those list bugs? Fortunately, the
> lists seem so to be working in the browsers I am using.
>
> > HTH
>
> It does! Thanks again.
>
> Fortunately, the CSS bugs may convince the right people to let me bring in
a
> Mac here for proper testing. ;o)
>
> -Darrel
>
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> Message: 7
> From: "Austin, Darrel" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> To: [EMAIL-REMOVED]'" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Subject: RE: [css-d] Need a bit of help with my first CSS layout
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:59:18 -0500
>
> > >
> > >Works in IE5.5/Moz/Op6/Win2k.
> > ... but alas, still not in IE 5.1 Mac :(
>
> 'doh.
>
> I always thought IE5 on the Mac was fairly standards-compliant. Anyone
else
> want to take a stab at this? Do I have a bad doctype?
>
> -Darrel
>
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> Message: 8
> From: "Austin, Darrel" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> To: [EMAIL-REMOVED]'" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Subject: RE: [css-d] Need a bit of help with my first CSS layout
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:01:05 -0500
>
> > It doesn't work well on IE5 mac;
> > In #pageheader you have this:
> >
> > voice-family: "\";
>
> Ah. This was legacy from Glish's code. I didn't know what it was, so I
left
> it ;o)
>
> Is that a hack to hide some styles from certain browsers?
>
> Thanks, Philippe.
>
> -Darrel
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:07:34 +0100
> To: [EMAIL-REMOVED]
> From: Simon Willison [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Subject: [css-d] CSS layout needs browser testing / accessibility feedback
>
> Hi all,
>
> Here's the site: http://development.incutio.com/lums/
>
> It's a remake of http://www.lums.lancs.ac.uk/pages/Executive/ using XHTML
> and CSS. I've concentrated on making the markup as logical and accessible
> as possible, so I'm very keen on receiving feedback in that regard as
well.
> Incidentally, the HTML page size is down from 27KB to just 7KB, while
> keeping the look and feel pretty similar :)
>
> I've tested it in Opera 6, IS6 and Mozilla in resolutions dowjn to 800x600
> (at 800x600 the breadcrumbs vanish - I'm not overly concerned about this
as
> they aren't an essential part of the navigation but I would welcome any
> suggestions as to how I can fix this). I'm particularly interested in
> knowing if the layout works in older versions of IE on Windows, and of
> course the ever important IE5/Mac.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Simon Willison
> http://www.bath.ac.uk/~cs1spw/blog/
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:33:31 -0400
> Subject: Re: [css-d] Need a bit of help with my first CSS layout
> From: Lowell Allen [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> To: css-discuss [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
>
> > From: "Austin, Darrel" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> >
> >> It doesn't work well on IE5 mac;
> >> In #pageheader you have this:
> >>
> >> voice-family: "\";
> >
> > Ah. This was legacy from Glish's code. I didn't know what it was, so I
left
> > it ;o)
> >
> > Is that a hack to hide some styles from certain browsers?
> >
> Looks like part of the Tantek Celik box model hack, see:
>
> <http://glish.com/css/hacks.asp>
>
> Item 4 -- "Exploit an IE5x PC CSS parsing bug"
>
> --
> Lowell Allen
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:35:52 +0900
> Subject: Re: [css-d] CSS layout needs browser testing / accessibility
feedback
> From: Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> To: [EMAIL-REMOVED]
>
>
> On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 11:07 , Simon Willison wrote:
>
> > Here's the site: http://development.incutio.com/lums/
>
> Could you add a background-color to your <body> ? My default
> -fushia-[1] doesn't go so well with the other colors.
> IE 5.21, OS X
>
> PS, It works fine otherwise.
>
> [1], I know, it is a not-so-nice color, but it IS handy, to test
> a website....User stylesheets are something to take into
> account. :-)
>
> Have fun,
>
> Philippe
>
> == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | ==
>
> Philippe Wittenbergh
>
> code | design | web projects : < http://www.l-c-n.com/>
> online image gallery : <http://www.l-c-n.com/phiw/>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:49:59 +0100
> To: Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL-REMOVED]>, [EMAIL-REMOVED]
> From: Simon Willison [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Subject: Re: [css-d] CSS layout needs browser testing / accessibility
> feedback
>
> At 23:35 01/08/2002 +0900, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 11:07 , Simon Willison wrote:
> >
> >>Here's the site: http://development.incutio.com/lums/
> >
> >Could you add a background-color to your <body> ? My default -fushia-[1]
> >doesn't go so well with the other colors.
> >IE 5.21, OS X
>
> Oops! I also forgot to make sure every background-color was accompanied by
> a normal colour and vice versa. Thanks for the heads up :)
>
>
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>
> Message: 13
> From: "Austin, Darrel" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> To: [EMAIL-REMOVED]'" [EMAIL-REMOVED]>
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:51:38 -0500
> Subject: [css-d] DW vs. TopStyle vs. StyleMaster vs. ?
>
> So not that I'm getting my hands dirty with CSS, I'm looking for some
> options for a WYSIWYG editor for others to use internally.
>
> DWMX seems to be lacking in CSS layout abilities. I've seen both TopStyle
> and StyleMaster as recommended apps. Any others to look at? Any hands-on
> experience with any of those apps for CSS layout?
>
> -Darrel
>
>
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